Might be time to trade Arenas
by Moonman
on Nov 8, 2007 12:55 PM EST
I realize it's not the best time to consider trading Arenas due to the multiple draining of the knee reports we've heard this week but if he does bounce back and is playing at the level he was at the midpoint of last season I believe it's time to put him on the market. Arenas has the option to opt out of his contract after this year and it's time to decide if we can ever win a championship with the core of Jamison, Arenas, and Butler. Can we win with a shoot first point guard (granted he's a phenomenal scorer) who doesn't really make the players around him better and is an atrocius defender as our leader and best player? I don't dislike Arenas and I don't want to discount his offensively ability, all the clutch end of the game buckets, and the excitement he brings but I think you have to look at the big picture of what it will take to win a championship.
If we go after someone like Kobe we're gonna have to include something besides Arenas and we have some players that could be moved. I really don't want to move Butler due to his complete game but everyone else should be free game. Jamison's stock will never be higher after his playoff performance last year and Haywood's stock is actually rising. Blatche's stock is not exactly soaring in the early season but could be a guy other teams would see a decent amount of upside in. My point is I think we need to blow this up because we are not going to win any championships with the current philosophy of outscoring everyone, with no defense, no post presence and a leader who personifies outscoring the other team with no regard or desire to defend.
We all remember the days of John "Hot Plate" Williams and the horrible teams we threw out there for so long and as long as we keep this group together we won't be that bad but we're not ever gonna be that good either. Pretty much trust E. Grunfeld cause he has made a lot of great moves but I couldn't believe he rolled in to this season with the same team as last like he bought in to the belief we would of done real damage if we had been healthy. We were not going anywhere last year and we are not going anywhere this year.
We need to change the mindset that we don't need to play defense which lead to quotes coming out after games we win 115-114 like "we're not a bad defensive team we makes the stops when we have to at the end." Actually they have been a terrible defensive team for years and with Jamison and Arenas both being complete liabilities on the defensive end it's not going to change. We're either gonna trade Arenas this year or sign him to the max extension and hitch our hopes on him for the next 6 years. We gotta think about moving him.
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Little early, don't you think
Besides, it's just false that he doesn't make the players around him better. Hughes, Butler, and Stevenson all had career highs playing next to him.
by Pradamaster on Nov 8, 2007 1:12 PM EST 0 recs
Maybe Because...
by cuppettcj on
Nov 8, 2007 2:46 PM EST
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I hear this a lot
- Arenas makes only 12 million a year now. You won't get comparable value with that low salary.
- Whoever trades for Arenas has to also extend him past this season, which was a major holdup in the Kevin Garnett negotiations. It worked anyway for Garnett, but it didn't work for Shawn Marion or Kobe (yet).
- I understand there's the threat of him walking for nothing, but remember that we can offer him an extra year, and there aren't any enticing teams under the cap enough to sign Arenas to the max extension he'll command. The only way it'll work in the offseason is through a sign and trade, which is essentially what would happen in the season anyway. If we're signing and trading him, why not just wait until we have more data on this team and its direction?
by Pradamaster on
Nov 8, 2007 4:16 PM EST
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it's a tough call, but start fielding offers
As for Arenas' teammate improvement abilities, I lean more toward Moonman. Yes Hughes, Butler, and Stevenson improved individually while playing w/ Arenas, but I credit EJ's free-wheeling offense more than I do Gilbert's dynamic PG play. Plus, the team itself really hasn't gotten better. With Lebron, the Cavs made it to the finals, without him, they're a joke. Take Wade off the Heat, and look what you get (0-4 so far). Take Nash off Phoenix, and the Suns set quickly. I don't know what the Spurs would be like without Duncan, because the man never seems to miss a game. Anyway, my point is Kobe and Gilbert have the same problem: they're great players on bad teams that appear to have hit their peak already.
by jvflail on Nov 8, 2007 2:19 PM EST 0 recs
Well, sure, if people are asking...
The point wasn't necessarily that Arenas makes players better, but rather that he definitely doesn't make them worse. Credit whoever you want, but this isn't like Allen Iverson, where no second option can ever function with him.
Also, Gilbert had the fourth-highest adjusted plus/minus ratio last year, ahead of Wade and Nash. When he went out last year, the team tumbled. When he went out in 03/04, the team tumbled as well. I'd argue Gilbert is just as important as all those guys to this team.
FWIW, Wade missed a lot of time last year, and the Heat were about the same with and without him.
by Pradamaster on
Nov 8, 2007 4:13 PM EST
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