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The Bullets Forever Top 20: The actual order

[editor's note, by Pradamaster] Bumping this up again, because tomorrow's the last day to vote. As it stands now, Kevin Porter is the odd man out. Please, please, rank your players and sign up if you have yet to do so.

[editor's note, by Pradamaster] I'm bumping this post back to the top, not only because I want to remind everyone in this community to participate, but also so that those clicking here from SLAM Online also get a chance to sound off. It's too late for anyone to add an additional name to this list, but if you want to question why it's these guys, by all means, sign up and voice your thoughts.

Thanks to everyone who provided suggestions for narrowing down our top 20 list, whether through commenting or through e-mail.  I've eliminated everyone who wasn't suggested (Gus Williams, Pervis Ellison, John Williams) or was suggested only once (goodbye Rex Chapman, Archie Clark, Mitch Kupcheck, Gheorghe Muresan, Caron Butler, Michael Adams, Tom Gugliotta, Greg Ballard, and Mike Riordan).  That leaves the following, in alphabetical order, with the person writing the article.


  1. Gilbert Arenas -- JakeTheSnake (he has no choice)
  2. Walt Bellamy
  3. Phil Chenier
  4. Bobby Dandridge
  5. Kevin Grevey
  6. Elvin Hayes
  7. Juwan Howard -- LoDawg31
  8. Antawn Jamison
  9. Gus Johnson
  10. Michael Jordan -- Pradamaster (this is the one I really want to do)
  11. Bernard King
  12. Kevin Loughery
  13. Jeff Malone -- hotplate
  14. Moses Malone
  15. Jack Marin
  16. Earl Monroe
  17. Kevin Porter
  18. Jeff Ruland
  19. Rod Strickland -- SP Yup (if he makes it)
  20. Wes Unseld
  21. Chris Webber -- kdp922

As you can see, there are 21 names for 20 spots.  One of these guys has to be the final cut.  I'm attaching a poll here allowing you all to vote on who that final cut should be, so channel your inner head coach and make the tough choice by clicking "entry link."

Once you do that, use the comments section to rank your personal top 20 (using only these 21 names. -Pradamaster).  This step is very important, because it determines, ultimately, what the order will be. A first-place vote is worth 20, a second-place vote 19, and all the way down the line.  Once this step is finished, the order will be determined by who finishes with the 20 most points, so please be sure to rank all 20 players.  

By Friday, we should have our list.  I'll stop the voting at that point, and I'll list the guys that made the cut (but not the order, although you can figure that out).  I'll then ask for any volunteers to contribute articles (hotplate already submitted one for Jeff Malone, so he's taken).  You can use any style you wish, but I ask that you try as best as possible to make them personal in some way.  If you have memories of a particular player, I think you should mention them instead of just listing numbers.

Sound good?  Be sure to list your order in the comments section, and thanks to everyone who's contributing in any way.

Update [2007-7-30 14:14:41 by Pradamaster]: A couple of people have brought up the concern that they can't rank players fairly because many played before they were born. I admire this foresight into recognizing your own biases, but I don't think this should stop anyone. Because I'm only 20 years old, I haven't seen many of these guys on the list, but I ranked them anyway. Obviously, seeing a player in person is the best way to evaluate someone, but it's not the only way. If you're concerned that you'll overrate the players you've seen, don't worry, because I think we have a number of users here that saw the 70s-era teams play in person. If we're trying to get the pulse of the Bullets Forever community with this list, it only makes sense for as many people as possible to post their rankings.

Poll
Who should be the final cut from the list?
Kevin Porter
7 votes
Juwan Howard
5 votes
Rod Strickland
7 votes
Jeff Ruland
1 votes
Jack Marin
0 votes
Antawn Jamison
2 votes
Moses Malone
1 votes
Kevin Loughery
4 votes
Other (please specify)
2 votes
Kevin Grevey
3 votes

32 votes | Poll has closed

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My 20
  1.  Wes Unseld
  2.  Earl Monroe
  3.  Elvin Hayes
  4.  Gilbert Arenas
  5.  Walt Bellamy
  6.  Phil Chenier
  7.  Gus Johnson
  8.  Bobby Dandridge
  9.  Jeff Malone
  10.  Bernard King
  11.  Chris Webber
  12.  Kevin Loughery
  13.  Jack Marin
  14.  Jeff Ruland
  15.  Michael Jordan
  16.  Moses Malone
  17.  Antawn Jamison
  18.  Juwan Howard
  19.  Kevin Grevey
  20.  Rod Strickland
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Jul 30, 2007 1:12 AM EDT   0 recs

My List
I am an "Old school" Bullets/Wizards fan that came aboard after Earl Monroe's rookie season.  I favor the older players who would have had multiple championships but for one team the New York Nicks.  Gus Johnson was not only a HOF player but one of the first, "Sky Walker" with his high flying dunks.  Phil Chenier to this day, still has the most beautiful jump shot I have ever seen and was a great all-around player.  I made Big Wes, number one, despite being one of the NBA's 50 greatest players of all-time, he is still somewhat underrated with regular season MVP and rookie of the year in same season (only done by 2 men), finals MVP, and leading team to finals 4 times, winning once.  I don't feel Webber and Howard deserve being on this list and Arenas and Jamison have not been Wizards long enough to merit being placed higher.

1    Wes Unseld
2    Elvin Hayes  
3    Bobby Dandridge
4    Earl Monroe  
5    Gus Johnson  
6    Phil Chenier  
7    Walt Bellamy
8    Jeff Malone
9    Moses Malone
10    Michael Jordan
11    Gilbert Arenas
12    Kevin Loughery  
13    Jack Marin
14    Bernard King
15    Antawn Jamison
16    Kevin Grevey
17    Jeff Ruland
18    Kevin Porter
19    Chris Webber
20    Juwan Howard

by LoneWiz54 on Jul 30, 2007 10:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Awesome
Thanks for the contribution!

Any interest in profiling any of the players?  

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Jul 30, 2007 8:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The list is coming
Until then, I think it's almost a must that cuppetcj do Phil Chenier.
If Abe Pollin had wanted the Washington Bullets to sound less dangerous, he should've just called them "The Bullets".

by JakeTheSnake on Jul 30, 2007 1:52 AM EDT   0 recs

I'm Not Really Qualified to Post a List
I've only been a Bullets/Wizards fan since '89/'90 (moved to the DC area in 1989), so I can't really rate the past Bullets greats fairly, since I didn't see them play.  I can rate my favorites since '89/'90, but then my list would unfairly promote the newer Bullets/Wizards greats over the older ones.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jul 30, 2007 1:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That shouldn't stop you though
I admire your honestly, but I also haven't seen a lot of the old Wizards/Bullets, and I still posted them.

It's not a big deal if you overrate the newer Bullets/Wizards, because there are a number of people on here that lean in the other direction.  Combined, we should get a pretty good list.  

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Jul 30, 2007 2:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Alright, Well Then Here Goes...
Keep in mind that my list only reflects my opinions on players who impacted the Bullets/Wizards from 89/90 season onward:

 1) Gilbert Arenas
 2) Chris Webber
 3) Juwan Howard
 4) Antawn Jamison
 5) Mitch Richmond
 6) Harvey Grant
 7) Rod Strickland
 8) Tom Gugliotta
 9) Bernard King

  1. Michael Jordan
  2. Richard Hamilton
  3. Pervis Ellison
  4. Larry Hughes
  5. Caron Butler
  6. Michael Adams
  7. Rex Chapman
  8. Calbert Cheaney
  9. Jeff Malone
  10. Jerry Stackhouse
  11. John Williams
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jul 30, 2007 4:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay
Thanks for the list, but can we keep to the 21 players mentioned in this post?  We effectively eliminated everyone else in the previous thread.

Sorry for the confusion.  Thanks for the help.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Jul 30, 2007 4:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure, Let Me Try Again
  1. Elvin Hayes
  2. Wes Unseld
  3. Earl Monroe
  4. Gus Johnson
  5. Gilbert Arenas
  6. Chris Webber
  7. Juwan Howard
  8. Antawn Jamison
  9. Rod Strickland
  10. Moses Malone
  11. Phil Chenier
  12. Bobby Dandridge
  13. Bernard King
  14. Walt Bellamy
  15. Michael Jordan
  16. Jeff Malone
  17. Jeff Ruland
  18. Jack Marin
  19. Kevin Loughery
  20. Kevin Grevey
  21. Kevin Porter
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jul 30, 2007 5:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Alright, awesome
Thanks a lot!
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Jul 30, 2007 5:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oops, Messed Up Again
Just ignore #21.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jul 30, 2007 5:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Correction
I realize that I rated Mitch Richmond way too high.  Please move him down to 15 and bump everybody from 15 and higher up one.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jul 30, 2007 4:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Again
See the last comment.  I'm sorry if I threw people off with the separate threads, but, if possible, could you adjust your rankings for the 21 players remaining only?  I understand you haven't seen all of them play, but don't feel like that precludes you from ranking them.

Thanks.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Jul 30, 2007 4:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Strickland
If Rod ends up making the list, is there any way that I could write the bio/description? One of my personal favorite Bullets/Wizards.
DAGGER!

by SP Yup on Jul 30, 2007 12:39 PM EDT   0 recs

Definitely
If he makes it, he's all yours.  Welcome to the site!

But he has to make it first...you can help with that by posting your Top 20.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Jul 30, 2007 12:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha- Guess Im too late
I was gonna request Rod as well- one of my alltime favorites and one of the truly underrated guards in the league, not just on the bullets.

give me chris webber. unseld trading him was the reason i stopped following the team until they signed MJ. Plus i got some inside info--

#1 Wes Unseld
#2 Elvin Hayes
#3 Gilbert Arenas
#4 Earl Monroe
#5 Moses Malone
#6 Jeff Malone
#7 Chris Webber
#8 Walt Bellamy
#9 Phil Chenier
#10 Bobby Dandridge
#11 Michael Jordan
#12 Rod Strickland
#13 Jeff Ruland
#14 Antawn Jamison
#15 Bernard King
#16 Gus Johnson
#17 Kevin Loughery
#18 Jack Marin
#19 Kevin Porter
#20 Kevin Grevey
#21 Juwan Howard

by kdp922 on Jul 30, 2007 7:43 PM EDT   0 recs

I take it
The inside info is something you want to share in a potential Chris Webber profile?  I'm looking forward to reading that.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Jul 30, 2007 7:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My top 20 ranked in order
  1. Elvin Hayes
  2. Gilbert
  3. Unseld
  4. Bellamy
  5. Earl Monroe
  6. Chenier
  7. Bobby Dandridge
  8. Jeff Malone
  9. Gus Johnson
  10. Antawn Jamison
  11. Juwann Howard
  12. Chris Webber
  13. Jordan
  14. Jeff Ruland
  15. Bernard King
  16. Kevin Loughery
  17. Jack Marin
  18. Kevin Porter
  19. Rod Strickland
  20. Moses Malone

by hotplate on Jul 31, 2007 7:33 AM EDT   0 recs

Here's my 20
   1. Wes Unseld
   2. Elvin Hayes
   3. Earl Monroe
   4. Gilbert Arenas
   5. Walt Bellamy
   6. Bobby Dandridge
   7. Gus Johnson
   8. Chris Webber
   9. Jeff Malone
  10. Phil Chenier
  11. Moses Malone
  12. Michael Jordan
  13. Bernard King
  14. Kevin Grevey
  15. Antawn Jamison
  16. Jack Marin
  17. Juwan Howard
  18. Jeff Ruland
  19. Rod Strickland
  20. Kevin Loughery
If Abe Pollin had wanted the Washington Bullets to sound less dangerous, he should've just called them "The Bullets".

by JakeTheSnake on Jul 31, 2007 7:50 AM EDT   0 recs

I might well add my 2 cents!
#1  Wes Unseld
#2  Elvin Hayes
#3  Gilbert Arenas
#4  Earl Monroe
#5  Moses Malone
#6  Bobby Dandridge
#7  Phil Chenier
#8  Jeff Malone
#9  Walt Bellamy
#10 Chris Webber
#11 Michael Jordan
#12 Gus Johnson
#13 Antawn Jamison
#14 Kevin Porter
#15 Jeff Ruland
#16 Bernard King
#17 Kevin Loughery
#18 Jack Marin
#19 Kevin Grevey
#20 Juwan Howard
#21 Rod Strickland
I am not a big fan of the last two, one highlights a major mistake by Wes and Abe and the other was simply a knucklehead, talented, but a knucklehead, you can figure out who is who :)

by WizGuyinAlex on Jul 31, 2007 11:25 PM EDT   0 recs

pix
1.Elvin Hayes
2.Arenas
3.Wes U
4.Earl Monroe
5.Jeff Malone
6.Phil Chenier
7.Kevin Grevey
8.Moses Malone
9.Bobby Dandridge
10.Benard King
11.Walt Bellamy
12.Chris Weber
13.Antwan Jamison
14.Juwan Howard
15.Michael Jordan
16.Jack Marin
  1. Kevin Lughery
  2. Gus Johnson
19.Kevin Porter
20.Jeff Ruland
What? They don't have TV in the D-League? Don't watch me, watch TV.

by Mac G on Aug 1, 2007 9:56 AM EDT   0 recs

Top 20
  1. Elvin Hayes
  2. Wes Unseld
  3. Earl Monroe
  4. Gilbert Arenas
  5. Phil Chenier
  6. Jeff Malone
  7. Moses Malone
  8. Gus Johnson
  9. Bernard King
  10. Walt Bellamy
  11. Michael Jordan
  12. Rod Strickland
  13. Kevin Grevey
  14. Bobby Dandridge
  15. Chris Webber
  16. Antawn Jamison
  17. Juwan Howard
  18. Jeff Ruland
  19. Jack Marin
  20. Kevin Porter
DAGGER!

by SP Yup on Aug 1, 2007 1:30 PM EDT   0 recs

my top 20
  1. Unseld
  2. Hayes
  3. Arenas
  4. Chenier
  5. Monroe
  6. Malone, M
  7. Johnson
  8. Malone, J
  9. Webber
  10. Howard
  11. Jamison
  12. Strickland
  13. Ruland
  14. King
  15. Lughery
  16. Marin
  17. Dandridge
  18. Bellamy
  19. Grevey
  20. Jordan

by facekdr on Aug 1, 2007 3:12 PM EDT   0 recs

Top 20
1  Gilbert Arenas
2  Bernard King
3  Moses Malone
4  Earl Monroe
5  Wes Unseld
6  Phil Chenier
7  Elvin Hayes
8  Bobby Dandridge
9  Jeff Malone
10 Walt Bellamy
11 Juwan Howard
12 Antawn Jamison
13 Jeff Ruland
14 Gus Johnson
15 Rod Strickland
16 Michael Jordan
17 Kevin Loughery
18 Chris Webber
19 Jack Marin
20 Kevin Porter

by bumbaugh on Aug 2, 2007 10:50 AM EDT   0 recs

Welcome!
And wow, interesting order.  That'll be sure to alter the results a bit.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Aug 2, 2007 1:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Top 20
  1. Wes Unseld
  2. Elvin Hayes
  3. Gilbert Arenas
  4. Earl Monroe
  5. Chenier
  6. Bellamy
  7. Bernard King
  8. Juwan Howard
  9. MJ
  10. Jamison
  11. Gus Johnson
  12. Grevey
  13. Ruland
  14. Dandridge
  15. Webber
  16. kevin Porter
  17. Moses Malone
  18. Loughery
  19. Grevey
  20. Jeff Malone

I left off Rod Strickland because, although he was a great player and put up some good stats for a couple of years, I really believe that his terrible attitude infected the rest of the team (especially Webber) and caused the team to underachieve.  I'd be interested in writing up Juwan if you'd like.

by LoDawg31 on Aug 3, 2007 10:32 AM EDT   0 recs

I would definitely love it
Thanks for the contribution.  I'll give you Juwan.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Aug 3, 2007 7:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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